St Johns has trouble competing in the Big East and would be over their head in the Big 12. I just wish I could get some info from the PAC but that has dried up the past few days. 2. We aren’t privately funded like Stanford is. “Thank you to everyone for your words of support as my family deals with the loss of a very close loved one. Replying to @MHver3. Learn more. 2. Corey Wishnia. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. 131. Feel like FSU is the most vocal because they are the most edge case in the ACC. Mountaineer Steve. I actually don’t want more western schools. All stuff you heard here from me way before it hit the press. There. Yearly scheduling of 1 ACC team per school. Likes. Washington State puts up shockingly good TV numbers. B12 has been told by sources from WSU and Oregon State that they will be submitting applications to the B12 pending how successful the first round of merger talks go. @MHver3. ”MHver3 on Twitter: "CU and AZ are NOT worried about exposure by joining B12 as most if their games would be lye window games so that report is most likely coming from Utah or AZSU. 7h. I don’t hate the PAC. Replying to. And several mid tier schools that would be shaky getting a new home as well”“I’m also hearing a lot of people describing espns offer to PAC as a lowball offer. Cliff notes of meetings: Colorado will rejoin the B12. I’m being told there will be a Big12 meeting that evening that could potentially have huge ramifications for the Big12 and the college sports landscape in general. There’s no reason to add anyone else to dilute the tv money just to have an even number. CBS and NBC expected to be huge players for the next B12 contract in addition to ESPN and Fox” MHver3 @MHver3 One final tidbit this afternoon:PAC is currently trying to be as attractive as they can while they see what their media rights could be if they stayed together. Gonzaga better fit for Pac. ”Hearing that Pac12 presidents have vehemently rejected 100% streaming proposal from apple. Up to 75% would be streaming. ”“B1G without a Notre Dame addition has reached the point of diminishing returns. MHver3 @MHver3. Huskies have come back to the table. Without ORWA it will be closer to $32-$34 plus control of tier3”NBC/USA were also interested in some PAC content but they wanted it at a deep discount and are “worlds apart” from what GK was asking for. Of course it’s more financially attractive to do that with the “right” schools. “And hearing that Washington State, Oregon State, and Cal have reached out to the Mountain West to talk about a landing spot. I have nothing to gain-no monetization, no click bait links, no podcast. Too many lower tier schools in ACC that won’t have a home if that conference blows up. There’s so much information to pour through and so many moving pieces that B12 leadership alone can’t keep up. Learn to create and view Twitter threads to provide additional context or updates. ” ACC again proposed an aggressive expansion to 20 teams and has been talking with OR/WA/Stanford/and Cal. and. “@godawgs4 Not really. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. I think something will happen to try to satisfy these demands. 19. MHver3 @MHver3. It’s to actively pursue expansion and re-form the expansion committee. 2:52 PM · Jul 4, 2022 · Twitter for iPhone. Huge mistake. ”What did I tell you? No new movement to share with PAC presidents. MHver3. “@AveCope Big12 believes it will be able to offer $36-40m with OR and WA plus control of Tier3 tv rights. @MHver3. Possibly 3 east coast teams as well but those 3 are not as far along as the zags are. ”“@BroncoJ415 @MrSamStone3 There’s a lot of things on the table. Hearing that GK is telling some of the PAC presidents that he may not have any new developments in the tv negotiations to present at next weeks meeting. ”We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Idea:…Pls tweet what the time will in 5The soon to be PAC defections are “on the precipice” of sealing the deal. If Ohio State and Mich or Penn St then Big10 schools would try to bounce for $50mil raise, to new conference. MHver3. 4:22 AM · Jul 19, 2023. They are content to sit at 16 and wait out Notre Dame. ”@MHver3 · May 25. 11/15 schools would have to vote to disband, and that's exactly what would get gobbled up by the BIG10, SEC, and Big XII. Even an Oregon and a Washington together don’t increase the pie enough to bring up the per school payout. No football home for Uconn in exchange either. As the Pac-12 deals with losing UCLA and USC to the Big Ten and the Big 12 explores a raid on the Pac-12, audience data can be instructive. 02 Jun 2023 22:14:16. To read this post and more, One Month for Only $1. 7:34 PM · Jul 20, 2022 MHver3. Hearing ESPN is taking (or already has taken) their $250m total package offer to the Pac12 off the table. The numbers are not where the presidents want them. 30 Mar 2023 18:54:47Gonna say it again for everyone in the back playing with graphs and charts on Excel: Fox has already approved pro rata for the B12 to add specific teams so they will not get “only $20m” they will get the full share. Phillips had a call this afternoon with Kliavkoff and Yormark/Bowlsby about an alliance of the 3 conferences. “@DwayneF77 I’ll say it one more time. Do you prefer to move to the B10 for the money that you really don’t need with Phil Knight’s checkbook-where you will play 2nd fiddle to many? Or do you prefer becoming the top dog in the B12 conference?”We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Also heard from a source today that someone in Colorado leadership told B12 that if Apple was going to save the Pac12 it would’ve been announced today…My source (who is talking to an AD at a pac school) says the deal with Espn/Amazon is worth $220m a year. If you start to hear reports of a PAC media offer for $25-28m per school trickle out keep a couple of things in mind: 14 Mar 2023 14:40:40 @MHver3 Don’t underestimate a possible Pac12 invite for Airforce either. Talks are indeed dead for a merger. ”“@MHver3 @TGBN1997 Let's just say for some reason any combination of 3 of the 4 corner schools join the Big 12 and say Utah, Oregon, Washington hold out for greener pastures, dose Memphis or Boise stand a chance of being the 4th add in that round or does the big 12 stand pat and wait for more moves”Log in. 21. Half of that is what espn wants to buy for the B12 network. ”“Lots of tidbits and rumors pouring in today. CBS and NBC expected to be huge players for the next B12 contract in addition to ESPN and Fox”We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. ”Uconn is going to win the championship. Even if espn is trying to call this something else (licensing fee for streaming content)”We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Would help them reclaim partially, a soon to be lost market, and actually aligns very well culturally with PAC. Once the ACC declines the ridiculous terms of the offer ND is free to pursue other options. Quote. Gonzaga is in for basketball. 21. Gonzaga is in for basketball. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Finger pointing, yelling amongst leadership, and very pissed at ESPN for the hit piece on their conference while they are supposed to be negotiating in good faith. @MHver3 The worst-case scenario for WVU, of course, is the Big 10 standing pat and the Pac 12, still with UW and ORE, picking off several Big 12 teams and leaving the rest of the Big 12 in the wilderness. yes they are extending his “deadline”. 11. MHver3 @MHver3. Possibly during the NCAA tournament but it could be immediately following. OMG I was wrong. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. The desire of B10 is to bring both Washington and Oregon into the fold but Fox is balking at overpaying for both west coast schools considering the actual value they bring. Boise. Guess the state of AZ to BIG12 has died down though. Look for a thread soon. Again they did not have 8 yes votes for either school. Colorado feels like they are on an island and being pushed out. Louis Oliverio. They could very well join the four south schools in the B12… until the B1G change their mind. ” We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. 1 — and for No. The other 6 split the remaining 40% equally. 3:14 AM · Jul 24, 2021. And it’s a huge sticking point with their BOG. ”“PAC and ACC leadership have had discussion about an alliance but only if it benefits by getting espn to reopen their tv contract. Also a high ranking member of. But it’s looking like B12 needs to make the next move. “RUMOR: Pac12 offer from ESPN: $220 million per year, no expansion. Thanks for the heads up from those of you who wrote me. Oh btw there is an AZ board of regents. Cliff notes of meetings: Colorado will rejoin the B12. MHver3 @MHver3. 8 of them are Power5 schools located west of Texas. Sign up“I’ve got a pretty big scoop to share that I’ve been sitting on for a few days. We’ve spoiled schools with Tier3 independence. Log in. Pac12 can file an injunction if they choose but it would be a slippery slope if they wanted to do that and suspend those teams. “Colorado doesn’t even know where Cal and Stanford truly stand and what their real plan is because so far communication has been lackluster with them. @MHver3. Appx $75m per year. . He’s also telling me the big catch with the apple deal would be research grants to member schools-an area apple has been historically lagging behind other tech companies. Retweets. MHver3. Ugh. “And then the Tier 3 which would see PAC12N move to Apple with all the rest of the total sports content for about $40m per year”Less than $200m currently. “@DwayneF77 I’ll say it one more time. Likes. Beating out even the 2004-2011 BIgEast. @m_iguel_ca. GIF. Most recent figure I’ve heard for Pac12 is just south of $20m per year per school after broadcasting expenses are covered in house. Eerily similar to communications the BIgEast put out just before it’s demise right before Pitt/Cuse/WVU/Rutgers/Louisville bolted. The in-fighting is bad currently with those schools. Knight felt it was the best outcome for Oregon and the PAC with no B1G offer coming. @MHver3 17h Amazon only wants the top game every week fb and bb from the PAC12 and is offering $100m a year for 2 years with an option for 2 more years and a review of the terms if the viewership is there. 3. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. OKST has been too one sided lately to be a rivalry-hopefully we can change that. This is the “Tier1” package. Become an Annual VIP member today and get access. FSU is the most attractive maybe. 2. I’d be thrilled if Colorado and Arizona came in, regardless of whether any others did. Hearing Colorado President and AD will be meeting with BY on campus in the near future. Sounds like he expects a number of his current members to go else where. 13 Apr 2023 02:07:57 @MHver3 They're all signing a shorter GoR, it's not so much giving up as letting the landscape settle and use the time to build their best case to join on the field. @MHver3. Oregon was the third choice as a. Retweets. @xtmountain. Might Washington and Oregon be making the same offer? 🍎 😂 😂 😂. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. The other two have been flirting with B12 for years and few they are a better fit with B12 in culture and philosophy. ”“@blakeblahut @AveCope No. 6. Power5 (or 4) will most likely have an autobid for their champ after playoffs expand. “So this was considered sensitive info for awhile but the silence of these 2 universities is about to be over. So that lines up with pretty much every other report coming out except for 1. @MHver3. Rumors swirling today that there may be merger talks brewing between Pac12 and Big12 again. Oregon, Washington, Stanford, and one other might be. “And hearing that Washington State, Oregon State, and Cal have reached out to the Mountain West to talk about a landing spot. Gonna say it again for everyone in the back playing with graphs and charts on Excel: Fox has already approved pro rata for the B12 to add specific teams so they will not get “only $20m” they will get the full share. They are looking at 1. 22 Feb 2023 21:50:26Reposting this again at the request of my source with alternate phrasing: Colorado board will meet Monday to informally poll where votes would lie for leaving PAC. “Let tidbit of the evening: Big12 currently has 20 schools in contact with them regarding membership discussions in various phases of progression. ” We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. After months of back and forth, with things really heating up since the NCAA tourney started, looks like BY is very close to getting 2 new members a for B12. Houston and BYU applications are in. ”The apple deal would see apple absorb the production costs of all the games and give them the option to sub lease games to other networks and split additional revenues with the conference. 23. The truth is that’s where the PAC is valued at right now because the bottom half of the remnants are really dragging down the top half in. @MHver3 FWIW my sources are telling me that FOX is NOT actively negotiating with PAC. Better than all 4 Four Corners schools. “Morning tidbits: Fox is done with Pac12 as an entity and has no plans to even bid on a new tv contract. 3 — is made for TV. so mhver az asu utah and colorado do you think they are gonzo heading to join us in the big12 ? 1. MHver3 @MHver3 Hearing from B12 contacts in communication with Pac12 contacts that AZ and Colorado have NOT committed to signing a GOR and will not agree to sign one without a complete deal in front of them that is equitable and on par with B12/ACC. ”“@GibeiiBrewsong @USAdebtcrisis I say 6 are leaving but ORWA will try to keep them all together under the ridiculous uneven revenue sharing model espn is pushing but that will not sit with the 4 corners schools and they will bolt which will lead to ORWA bolting as well. Likes. This happened sometime in the past few days. 239. ”Log in. 3. You ready for this? Oregon/Washington 16. Most of it was in depth financials done by our media consultants. That will never happen because these additions are based on valuation metrics. My source (who is talking to an AD at a pac school) says the deal with Espn/Amazon is worth $220m a year. Log in. ”““We haven't decided if we're going shopping there yet,"-Kliavkoff, spewing venomously at the conference that just recently decided a merger with his conference wasn’t financially attractive. WVU also saw success going from Independent to BIgEast. The Big East commissioner ran the conference like a basketball conference and treated football as a second class citizen, which is why Miami, VT, Boston College then WVU, Pitt and Syracuse left. Tomorrows another day!”This merger would trigger pro-rata for espn contract and allow fox to reopen their contract-Amazon could be a part of this as well from what I’m hearing. Not sure what’s going on there yet-just hearing preliminary info-but hearing it from multiple sources. ORWA balked because they stand to make more from an uneven distribution model-even if PAC has 2-4 more defections”As I said in a previous tweet: the Buffs are an inevitability. “Also as part of this deal ESPN would pay Oregon and Washington an additional $15 million per year for the trade off of playing 2 ACC teams per year. Likes. and @Mountaineer_Ste. The BIG12 would be stupid to go. Quote Tweets. I have heard that if WA and OR stay that that could possibly keep Stanford and Cal in the fold-I’ve also heard Stanford is very close to going Indy. We currently get about $4m for that same content. OMG I was wrong. I’m packing it up. Jul 12. “@ConfCommandos Schwartzwalder wasn’t really a ratings boon after McNabb finished his 10 year career at Cuse though. Valuation of per school is higher if omitting 2 of the 6 because the projected media dollars are very similar with or without those 2. 2. 17. Replying to. He was dealt a horrible“Oregon is as good as already out the door as talks between the Ducks and B10 are intensifying. ”We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. The contact that shared this with my source is in a PAC school AD and their school was not satisfied with any of the update-said that the CEOs specifically told GK not to do a presser. That’s all I’ve got. ”Also hearing TCU and Texas Tech plan on pulling out of games scheduled with Oregon and Stanford if Pac12 goes all streaming out of visibility concerns for the pac owned games. Meanwhile ND maneuvered their way to a sweetheart deal with ACC and was able to leave the faltering BIgEast. 1. AZ too. 4 PAC schools plus Kliavkoff pushed for the conference to take the ESPN money and the other 6 schools refused. Show more replies. 26 Mar 2023 03:01:53Ah-here’s where the subscriber metrics come into play for Apple TV deal: subscription service add on that would see a majority of the baseball games, half the basketball games, and some football games locked behind a paywall. The Big 10 should just bring in all the schools in the Pac 10 as a Western division. PAC media: Hearing that no concrete numbers were presented and that the mystery partner that was coming back to the table was ION. 35 seconds to PACmidnight. MHver3. Replying to @MHver3. 4:22 AM · Jul 19, 2023. 26. See new Tweets“And B12 may just add those 3 and stop and wait to see what happens 5-10 years from now. If 4 teams get taken from the ACC by the Power 2, there is a good chance FSU is not one of them. As well as ESPN about triggering the reopening of their contract in the event of additions. We are indeed talking to Rich Rodriguez to return to WVU but as of now it’s only talks. And GK. Retweets. " Arizona is the wildcard that could keep UConn from getting an all sports invite. @MHver3 So if B1G Stops, then it seems the most likely outcome is the B12 raids the remaining members. Without the additions the show could very well be on the other foot right now. 31 May 2023 13:12:44. @MHver3. Things have escalated. ”@MHver3 I don't know what the rumors are you're talking about, but it's pretty simple. A playoff appearance by OKST or Baylor or KSU would change the calculus quite a bit. Apologize in advance for spelling or grammatical errors-glasses are off and I’m squinting in the dark. Top to bottom though this new B12 would be the best conference ever assembled. 2:49 AM · Jul 19, 2022 · Twitter for iPhone. ”“@SHUWalshgym They’d only need to share about 7-8m per each of the 4 schools. They are going to get the money they want without joining a conference. @MHver3. “So this was considered sensitive info for awhile but the silence of these 2 universities is about to be over. Who stands to benefit the most?“@USFBullTampaBuc They should’ve built these a decade ago. 5 billion a year with their next contract (and BTN) and will now wait and watch the landscape. It would seem inevitable that at some point u will say something… I mean, anything. You’re unable to view this Tweet because this account owner limits who can view their Tweets. Grant of Rights required or will come with a clause for reductions assigning each school a percentage of what their worth is to the overall contract. ConversationWe would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Bradley Berry M. Shouldn’t be an issue since these are not revenue sports. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. " / Twitter. Baylor is too. Yormark has a vision. 7:34 PM · Jul. (Ralph Freso / Associated Press) Sources say preliminary talks have started on a merger between San Diego State’s current conference and the Pac-12, which is in. 1. What I’m hearing on PAC media deal (or lack thereof) from a B12 source based on B12 talks with a PAC school. That’s it. TomKat“One of the two sources that shared this told me that Stanford is pushing for B12 to rebrand if they add the PAC schools. @MHver3. ACC has special deal with espn to add those 4 at prorata even though it wasn’t built into the contract. 12:57 PM · Jul 27, 2021 · Twitter for iPhone Sorry for deleting the previous tweet. @MHver3. PAC is in an exclusive window with the 2 main networks bidding on B10 that expires next week. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. But again, aside from Rutgers going to B10, Pitt had the most room for improvement. ·. @MHver3. I’d prefer B12 waits for eventual ACC poaching and go and get our old BIgEast mates. WVU alone makes like $10m from theirs a year. 31 May 2023 12:38:21. I do think the basement for some PAC schools is $28m net per school with at least 50% linear. Amazon gets more first choice. @MHver3 This is the case with any conference not named SEC. Offering to join in football only at 50% of a full share of revenue after the buy in period. Sign upSee new Tweets. MHver3 @MHver3 Hearing from B12 contacts in communication with Pac12 contacts that AZ and Colorado have NOT committed to signing a GOR and will not agree to sign one without a complete deal in front of them that is equitable and on par with B12/ACC. ”“@kiwicanuck76 I’m told it’s because the conference has 4 states and 8 schools on their no travel list. Boise State is making a lot of noise wanting B12 to reopen their application. Quote Tweets. @MHver3 Jul 27, 2022 Media consultants don’t think we can get revenue positive (from current projections) adding all 4 corners schools unless there is a bidding war. “I’m hearing several Pac12(-2)schools are in complete pandemonium tonight. And there are ongoing discussions on how that money could be generated through selling the extra inventory. ”“Since everyone is regurgitating Mandel’s garbage today allow me one last time to explain why the ratings don’t matter here and are in fact flawed. $120m from Amazon/$100m espn. ”Hearing GK struck out with the Amazon/ESPN deal and it’s not even going to the table for a vote-presidents asking him to go back to the networks and negotiate it higher. Clash of Champioms “Bowl” (more on that in next tweet””MHver3 @MHver3. ”BY possibly has a 3rd media partner on board if Fox is a no go for adding $ for new additions. 19. The BYU factor”Interestingly enough Stanford and Cal would not be part of this proposed merger. 13. Half of that is what espn wants to buy for the B12 network. 5m. Then there’s also the chance that the NY6 bowls all become absorbed into the expanded playoffs as round 1 of a 12 team playoff. I’m packing it up. ”“B10 has told Washington and Oregon that they have put expansion on hold indefinitely. Also-though much quieter-there will be some zig-Zagging happening this week as well I’m my home state. 5m. 4. Could also mean NBC/B12 won’t happen. MHver3 on Twitter: "@StevO_1960 It’s in the ESPN contract. ”See new Tweets. Likes. Feb 21. I’ll update as I get more info. ”Log in. @MHver3 So if B1G Stops, then it seems the most likely outcome is the B12 raids the remaining members. Air Force and Colorado State have also been in contact with Kliavkoff. Looks like their fate is in Amazon’s hands. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. “Also as part of this deal ESPN would pay Oregon and Washington an additional $15 million per year for the trade off of playing 2 ACC teams per year. Retweets. Replying to @Tomkatf14. @MHver3 17h Amazon only wants the top game every week fb and bb from the PAC12 and is offering $100m a year for 2 years with an option for 2 more years and a review of the terms if the viewership is there. ”“I want to hear from Oregon fans. ”“Also telling that PAC12 is saying they are waiting for B10 contract to close before they “know anything”. Sign up“Called my source. Amazon gets more first choice. A thread is a series Tweets from one person. 1. ”“Expansion committee presented a lot of info to Bowlsby and Yormark. “Boise State making their case for inclusion into the B12. ”“Just heard that Yormark meeting with Knight was basically Knight pleading to Yormark to keep the merger talks going and make it happen. @MHver3 If B10 is still shopping then that means NBC is getting aggressive with trying to get in on their contract and it’s driving $ higher. MHver3Washington State puts up shockingly good TV numbers. “Pac12 fans should redirect their anger at the B10 and USC and UCLA. com. @MHver3. ”“Would a LHN converted into the B12 network, a 20 year Sugar Bowl contract and a guarantee of 8 SEC OOC games per year for 10 years be enough of a carrot for B12 to allow TXOU out early with only the exit fee penalty?”“Oregon and Washington want to wait out the 30 day window on the exclusive period for Fox and espn to renegotiate Pac12 contract before making a decision on B12 application. That’s only 4 million less than SEC. ”“@JamieExorcistof You are correct. This will be my last tweet for a bit. I don’t think that’s an option for us. “The Buffs are an inevitability now. “As I type this the Arizona schools are discussing exit strategy and AZ is making their case for autonomy to decide conference affiliation (in case they are the only one that gets an invite). I said AAC (not ACC) invited PAC members. They know. Army/Navy make the most sense from a. B12 might be inviting 2 schools that have applied to further weaken PAC and maybe force WA/OR hand. The third is a big market school with a great history that has underperformed in recent years. 6:21 PM · Jul 5, 2022 · Twitter for iPhone. If B12 adds the right 6 PAC schools it can see its yearly payouts go above that $35m per school number the way the current deal is structured. 16 Jul 2023 00:27:09. 2. ESPN has ACC and PAC over a barrel in different ways and isn’t likely to pay more. Washington has now reached out to the B12 about membership options that include an out of the GOR for B10 membership. Found. MHver3 @MHver3 ACC source telling me this morning that the school they work for has exhaustively ran the numbers and when compared to the windfall of SEC or B1G tv money the financial risk is outweighed by the future reward. My source can confirm Colorado is. Found. However UConn and Nova can make a case for being in that discussion. MHver3 @MHver3. It did ok.